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Worship songs just aren’t for men – video interview with Matt Redman

By Marie Page | September 7, 2009

Here’s an interview with singer songwriter Matt Redman where he’s asked his opinion on romantic lyrics in worship songs.

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10 Comments

  1. stardazed
    Posted September 8, 2009 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    If worship songs are NOT for men in general, then why are most worship leaders men? Why can’t that glaringly obvious fact be an encouragement for men to participate more enthusiastically in the act of worship through singing, since they already have a role model in the church so to speak?

  2. Kim Gentes
    Posted September 11, 2009 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    I respect Matt Redman, and agree with part of what he has said here. I think he falters slightly (in this interview) by saying that he regrets using the phrase “I am so in love with you”, since his premise is that he wants to make sure that we have a scriptural basis for our language in worship songs. There may be some problem with the language of “beautiful” in the direct description of Christ (although I would argue there are certainly metaphorical imagery to support this through the poetic books), but certainly there is NO problem with telling God that we love Him. He, in fact, has said explicitly that we are to love him. And it seems somewhat paradoxical to love someone but be ashamed to actually articulate that in speech, song or music. In fact, the language of “love” is used extensively *in scripture* to describe the connection of people to God, and the incarnate Christ.

    I am not feuding over this point, but to say lyrics shouldn’t be appropriately intentional about the fact we “love” God is not an argument you can make very well from scripture.

    However, that said, you can make some valid arguments about the cultural explanation of certain words and how those may not be the best current translation of the kind of love we hold with God, and he holds for us. Language being what it is, there are times when we understand its fluidity can morph words meanings to require constant attention. Unfortunately, average songwriting cannot always predict this. Even great songs become dated as the language eventually changes beneath them. I do agree with that.

  3. Andy Chamberlain
    Posted September 11, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Good point Kim.
    I think for me the difficulty is not so much saying I love God but I’m ‘in love with God’. I could say i love my grandma but saying I’m in love with her obviously brings in a completely different meaning which to me leans much more towards a romantic or even sexual connotation.

    It seems like loads of our songs and consequently our ideas, our preaching, and our popular theology have a hard time defining God’s love and in an effort to do that our lyrics can sometimes lean towards romantic phrases and imagery. Perhaps this even leads to a misrepresentation of what God’s love actually looks and feels like in our own lives.

    I’ve lost count of the amount of sermons and conversations I’ve heard where the implication and constant daily norm of a healthy ‘relationship’ with God is a very intense two way direct communication that that is similar to that initial part of a relationship when you first meet someone, vividly connect and fall in love.

    Whilst I’m sure that is true for some at some parts of their lives that constant daily intensity seems to be more of a dream or desire just slightly beyond the grasp of the ‘normal’ Christian. So perhaps to sing or imply ‘Jesus I am so in love with you’ or ‘You’re everything I want and nothing else matters to me’ type lyrics perhaps requires an assurance of feelings at that given moment that ‘Jesus I love you’ or Jesus I honour/respect/desire to know and understand you’ doesn’t.

    Part of the issue could be that so much of our worship music borrows its style from power ballad pop. So maybe different expressions or definitions of love in song lyrics may just look a bit awkward or clunky? But what I’m really throwing around is that so many lyrical ideas in pop songs describe love in the initial throws of an adolescent relationship I’m wondering if by shoehorning those expressions into our worship songs we’ve effectively relegated our worship lyrics into sound bites of adolescent romantic ideas of what God’s love is actually like???? (discuss?)

  4. Amy Daws
    Posted September 11, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Regarding the romantic lyrics in worship songs, it seems worth noting that the Bible does contain romantic imagery, most notably in Song of Solomon, but that the intended readers lived in a very different cultural context to the culture we inhabit in the English-speaking Western world. Cultures still exist today where men are comfortable expressing passion and emotion, writing romantic poems, etc., but most North American and English men do not find that easy. One of the challenges for worship music writers is to find ways to express biblical values in culturally relevant ways. I think one way to make the love relationship between believers and the Lord seem more palatable to the newcomer (or the ‘blokey-bloke’) is to bring the focus outwards, ceasing to present it as an insular, self-gratifying, feel-good relationship and instead presenting it in the context of God blessing us so that we can be a blessing – so this love between Jesus and me is not just me and the Lord on a romantic getaway for two, but rather empowers me and my sisters and brothers to express His love for others in tangible ways. This will make a lot more sense to someone who’s new to church and struggles with the idea of using romantic language about Jesus.

  5. Andy Chamberlain
    Posted September 11, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    “me and the Lord on a romantic getaway for two” Brilliant! Kinda like a spiritual Sandals resort… perhaps we should call it ‘Jesus Sandals’… anyone up for a business opportunity?

  6. Peter Tan
    Posted September 11, 2009 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    The relationship between God and His people are so complex that the bible use different paradigms; Father and His children, Shepherd and sheep, King and His people, Creator and creatures, Master and servants, Vine and branches, … One of these is Husband and wife / Bridegroom and bride / lovers. Scriptures concerning this relationship can be found both in the Old Testament(for instance Hosea, Ezekiel) and the New Testament(for instance in Ephesians, Revelation). Because of hang ups/past experiences, some may have difficulty in relating to Him as Father as it is for some in relating to Him as Bridegroom or lover. When watching images from the Hubble telescope, it is easier to sing “How Great Thou Art”. But in intimate moments with the Lord it is easier to sing “I love You, Lord”.

  7. Amy Daws
    Posted September 15, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Andy, thanks for your comments. I think you’re right about the intensity of our relationship with God varying as we go through the seasons of our spiritual life. I also think you make a good point about us tending towards conforming to a style more suitable to romantic pop ballads than to worship music. I think this is a real challenge to worship writers to try to shift the popular style for Christian worship music – let’s give worshippers a taste of something that’s less focused on us feeling good, something about our corporate commitment to living as Christ asks us to, regardless of how we feel. I wrote some lyrics which might fit the bill – sent them to a very gifted friend who could probably come up with a great melody in a flash. This discussion has encouraged me to start dropping hints about how we really should get together and see what we can come up with!

  8. Ian
    Posted September 16, 2009 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Agree with just about all the comments above – to the extent that I understand them. As a blokey bloke myself and a worship leader I struggle with singing songs about being in love with someone other than my wife- and that’s not likely to happen either! (the singing that is). I would really like to have songs to work with such as amy mentions. I’m looking for songs about adventure, risk, challenge, battle, but there’s only so many times you can do the battle belongs to the lord. Finding language to express the sense of camaraderie that men can share or the love and respect you can have for a father would be good. I find I’m having to filter out a lot of otherwise nice songs with great tunes.

    If we must use romantic sounding songs, which Im inclined not to, maybe give people the option not to sing. Is it ok ever to make people feel embarrassed in a time of worship?

  9. Rebecca Sullivan
    Posted September 19, 2009 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    I can understand that guys can find it hard singing that but at the same time we (the church/body) are the bride of Christ and God as a whole isn’t necessarily a man.

    I was listening to a worship song a while ago and it said “Romance me oh lover of my soul.”

    I was like what on earth? Romance is for people!!!!!

    So I really seeked God about it and forgot about it after a week. Anyway I was on a flight listening to a song called bleeding love which is a secular love song and I was singing along and I felt such a Love for God and I started singing this song to God.

    Then God said you think it’s ok that you’re in love with me but not ok that I’m in love with you.

    And God made us very deep and complex people because he is a deep and complex being beyond our conprehension (obviously) and he intended to have depth in the relationship had with us.

    God made men with a capability to be romantic, it’s a gift from God so why shouldn’t we be able to feel the same way about God?

    If women can feel that way then why can’t men. God fulfils both genders and is a whole being and women don’t get freaked out about being in love with the mothering God.

    I think the problem is we make our own ideals of who and what we think God is and therefore limiting our relationship with God.

  10. Rebecca Sullivan
    Posted September 19, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Also we got to remember worship isn’t for us and shouldn’t be all about us it’s for God. It’s good to write about our struggles and challenges but at the end of the day it’s not about us and I know I lack the more of you less of me attitude

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