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Ask the Expert – Should musicians get paid for playing at weddings?

By Marie@Musicademy | March 31, 2011

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Matt Zipfel asks:

Would be useful to know – how much should a worship band charge for playing at a wedding (i.e. like an organist would )? Not talking about how much for the reception. I wonder if this would be something for your blog, or just whether people may like to give their opinion?

We thought this was a really interesting question. We’re going to answer it from a UK perspective, as the “getting paid to play” culture is a lot more prevalent in the US. US based readers – please give your thoughts and church policies in the comment box below.

I asked Tim Martin, who is the Worship Director at Christ Church Clifton in Bristol for his views. He says “As a church we do have a policy on this and the general practice is that band members are paid about £20 each. This was based on the fact that the organist is paid £120 and we wanted to give couples the option of either an organist or a worship band for the same price. Occasionally the fee may go up to £40 and often the musicians won’t charge if the couple are people from the church”.

Tim says that on average there are only about five or six weddings a year requiring a band and that the band members see it as a nice gesture that they are offered something for giving up their free time on a Saturday. However, he adds “It doesn’t seem very fair that an organist would earn a very decent fee for their time but that when that’s split between the band, each member ends up with something relatively small”.

The Royal Society of Church Music publishes recommended fees for its members to charge. Its current rates are around the £90 mark, with an extra fee levied for a more substantial musical contribution to the service (as extra practice may be required). The fee is also increased when audio or video recording are taking place.

Other churches we surveyed pay from nothing to perhaps £50 per team member. One musician said “At our church there is no culture of being paid to play, so there is a general expectation that we do it for nothing. To be honest, with a full time job outside of church, lots of volunteer church music commitments on Sundays and a midweek rehearsal, the extra expectation of weddings on Saturdays as well is asking a bit much. I have often ended up trying to avoid the wedding playing as a result.” Of course this does depend on whether your musicians have other heavy commitments, are pro, semi pro or happy amateurs, and how much they get asked to use their abilities for free. As with anything, it comes down to balancing the commercial realities against what you feel would honour people’s dignity and reflect their investment in their craft.

What we at Musicademy would add is that few UK based churches ever really invest financially in their worship musicians. There is rarely any budget for training (such as training days, or even a small library of instructional DVDs), and often even basic PA equipment is in short supply. Musicians themselves have invested financially in the purchase of their instruments, music and often many years of lessons. And that’s before the extra time they put in with practising, rehearsals, getting to the service early, clearing up afterwards etc etc. Sometimes there’s an unconscious undercurrent that for musicians, the gift of playing music should be reward enough in itself. This is generally purported by folk who dearly wished they had the talent to play an instrument and if they could they imagine how they would just love to play anywhere and everywhere for free.

Vicky Beeching has recently written an interesting article on the pros and cons of paying Sunday musicians on her blog which is worth reading if you are considering this route.

From another perspective, Andy runs a function band (made up of some of the Musicademy tutors, presenters and contributors) that regularly plays the evening party music. Occasionally he’s been asked to also have the same musicians play the worship at the wedding service itself. Generally he would add on about 40% on top of the price for the evening event. This is because although the musicians may be only playing 4 or 5 songs for 20mins, they will have to rehearse, albeit on the day, but realistically have to probably start at 10am rather than 8pm, and if the location is far away, they can’t exactly pop home. So on these occasions a 16+ hour day door to door for the muso’s is pretty long.

The thing is, very often when budgeting for weddings people will spend thousands on venues, catering, cars, horse drawn carriages, dresses, flowers, fireworks, balloon arches, Chinese lanterns, sugared almonds, bouncey castles, goldfish in flower vases, ice sculptures, etc etc and consider the musicians for the service and party an afterthought. But actually these two areas are quite central to the guest’s enjoyment and memory of the day. Andy was once asked by a couple if he could provide a pro band for the evening entertainment for cheap (£400 for a 5 piece I think) because they had rented a war ship on the river Thames in London for the party and had overspent so could we do them a favour? When they tried to drive down the price perhaps the response should have been “well we could just play worse?”

What do you think?

What happens at your church?

Please comment in the box below.

Photo courtesy of St James Church, Gerrards Cross

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  • http://www.stmaryofbethany.org.uk Daren Allder

    This is something we’ve been exploring in recent months, as there’s been a rise in people from outside our membership / regular attenders wanting a band for a wedding. For weddings of church members / regulars, musicians are generally willing to play for free (or a small token gift of appreciation).
    For those from ‘outside’, our rate is £50 per musician, plus the same for a PA operator – taking into account the time for rehearsal, planning and the service itself. My wife and I job-share as Worship Ministers, but weddings are outside the scope of our employment. We’re generally willing and able to help, but can’t afford to do this for free – especially as we’d be earning in our other part-time employment if we weren’t doing the wedding.
    Interesting to read the RSCM rates, and I guess we all understand that few couples would budget to pay that amount per musician for a band. However, why should a drummer be worth less than an organist?
    I think there’s a prevailing assumption that band musicians/singers will play/sing for the fun of it, but that more traditional instrumentalists (organist, string players?, pipers!?) should be paid. Personally, I think that’s pretty much an exploitative point of view – especially considering that band musos are also often expected to invest in their own gear to play at church.
    Also, if asked to lead/organise music for a wedding, I’ll put extra effort in to make it a special occasion for all concerned: that’s a value shared by other musicians in our church too – we have a wedding this Saturday, of 2 church members, and the whole band are keen to make sure enough time and energy’s given to rehearsal to make it special; more so than for a usual Sunday service. (I hope I’ve not implied that we short-change the congregation on a Sunday!).

  • Tim

    As a sound man for many years I would get $50 every time I ran sound for a wedding.

    As a musician I never played at a wedding, but I have played at funerals. Was never offered any money and I would not accept it if it was offered to me.

  • Mike

    I am a musician at my church and also serve on our church council. We are amending our policy on facility use fees for weddings and funerals and other rentals right now. This also includes personnel fees such as pastor, sound person, and musicians. So I am really interested in the feedback here on what churches charge for these events. I agree that there needs to be some fees for these people for these types of church rentals. Our sound person recently spent about 10 hours at a rental event and he was given a T-shirt for his time…. One thing that we have to be careful of, and most churches are unaware, as a registered charity we can’t provide undue benefits to our church members that we wouldn’t provide for people outside the church. So if we charge a fee for musicians, sound person, etc for people outside the church we have to charge the same for people that are members or regular attenders. For example, if we charge $200 for a worship team at a wedding for a couple outside the church we would have to charge $200 for a couple that attends our church for the same situation. It’s actually against the tax laws to do otherwise. I live in Canada so this is coming from the Canadian tax laws, but I would think other countries have similar charity laws. I know the politics can be very frustrating sometimes but if we expect to get tax deductions from our governments for our charitable donations we have to follow their laws. I’m sorry if this kind of opens a can of worms but this is something that most churches are unaware of and I thought I should point it out. I would hate to see a church get into trouble with the law.

  • Neil

    At my Church (UK Anglican Evangelical CofE ) we came to realise leading Worship in a wedding was becoming a common request and not just our friends requesting.

    We took a similar view that the Choir/Organist get paid for their time, and as musicians there are wear & tear costs (i change strings each time i lead for example, to provide best tone and least risk of breakage).

    We give the option of a small (3-4) or large band (5-6) and I think the large band costs £80. The “leader” is supposed to recieve £20 and the others 10, to reflect the additional preparation, co-ordination extra responsibility etc. – I tend to split it with the band.

    I’m not saying it’s perfect, but I think it works and it does mean we’re able to offer options to people as well as n insentive to those with other commitments (day jobs, familes etc)…

  • Stephen

    Interesting take on the tax situation – I would think that it would be similar in the UK. I have only been involved in one wedding that wasn’t of a congregation member (although it was the daughter of a member who had herself grown up in the church) and we as a group decided to donate the ‘fee’ to our youth missions projects.

  • Bob

    At our (small Anglican) church we probably get about 12 weddings a year. Nearly all are non-church folks who go for traditional organ and somtimes choir as well (they perhaps perceive that as the norm). They pay the set fee. Some organists donate it to church funds, others not depending on their view. Weddings of church members tend to want modern music hence the band do the honours. As it is “family” we generally waive any fees.

  • http://musicademy.com Marie@Musicademy

    Bob – do the choir get paid? If so what is the normal fee?
    Likewise do bell ringers get paid or is this a voluntary thing?

  • Eric

    This is always a tough subject, and I have been on both sides of it. People often forget that to be a (really good) musician is a trade in the same way that being an electrician is a trade (I was an electrician before I made the full-time muso leap). It takes a considerable amount of personal dedication and continuing personal practice to maintain the level of musicianship that should be expected. I have heard countless times “it’s not about getting paid; it’s who you’re playing for” when promoters are putting together big Christian music festivals, and I can’t help but wonder if they tell the electricians who come to wire the site the same thing. Now that I am the music director at my church, I do expect a strong mentality of servanthood from my team, but I certainly recognize the strain that is placed on them as we add special events to our already busy calendar. People don’t seem to understand the amount of preparation that the musicians put in at home prior to the rehearsals for the actual services. We don’t use music stands on stage, so the musicians are expected to know their parts from the word go. I guess my point is that if the musicians ARE going to be paid it shouldn’t be considered “the dirty world of church business” and the pay should be inline with what the church would pay for some outside band to come in.

  • chris molyneux

    absolutely a fee should be levied; however if the person getting married is a regular suppporter of the church then the music team might elect to waive a fee, but that should be their prerogative to decide. Players for Funerals and weddings outside normal services should be remunerated. The servant is worthy of his hire. People spend a fortune on receptions/clothes/other trappings bu expect musicians to play for nothing. Nothing Godly about that attitude! I know many musicians who donate their fees to their churches, but the principle remains – pay and let the musicians decide how to deal with it> Blessings Chris Molyneux

  • http://www.wynetuk.org Steve T

    It’s funny I’ve played at a lot of weddings over the last 4.5 years – having joined a new church. Yet this hasn’t crossed my mind.

    I suppose I joke about being a session musician but at the end of the day I actually like playing at weddings, it’s not a I’m a ‘super holy servant’ thing, I just find it fun being able to be a part of someone’s special day – even I don’t know them.

    Linked in with this, wedding were also the only time I got to play the drums; at church I am 1 of 2 bass players, but 1 of 8 drummers. But out of all those drummers I’m the only single one without kids to look after.

    Maybe if I had a few more people to think about, a few more commitments then money might come into the equation.

    Steve

    PS the most I have been paid is a huge box of thorntons chocolates, so that’s probably over £10.

  • kwame

    well, i think all efforts must me rewarded but it shdn’t b the sole aim of church musicians to demand such rewards b4 playing. sometimes musicians cancelled work n other commitment they have to rehearse tirelessly to provide such entertainment n joy at weddings. if couple wants to appreciate such efforts i believe is not wrong to accept.

  • Steve H

    I’ve played at weddings and have never once been paid. In fact, it’s usually cost me money – sometimes quite a bit (travel, hotel etc). Still, as it’s been for people I know and love I consider it quite an honour. If it got out of hand, that may be a different matter!

    Maybe we should introduce a sliding scale for weddings and for worship generally… and before anyone misinterprets, I’m joking here:

    - More hands up in the air in worship, more money…
    - Louder singing, more money…
    - Duff notes, less money…

    Add your own items below…

  • Bob

    Hi Marie. Fees charged……
    Choir – £50 – goes to the leader who shares it out – approx £5 to each person. We don’t get many people asking for the choir. They normally waive the fee for church members.
    Organ – £45 paid to organist.
    Bells – £100; £60 to bellringers; remainder in church kitty to help pay for broken ropes etc.
    We waive the church aspect of the fee for church members.

    Bob

  • Tim Nevell

    When I lived in England, I used to ring (bells) at weddings. I can’t remember how much individuals got, but on Bob’s reckoning, it would be about ten pounds each per wedding – and you might have three weddings on one day at the peak of season! So, it can be a nice little bit of pocket money, and although most ringers love what they do, it’s often a matter of hanging around in a cool tower for quite a while, waiting for the wedding to finish, and the signal to start at exactly the right moment, and then ring for 20 minutes perhaps. So it can potentially involve giving up a fair amount of time, and I’m sure most ringers appreciate a tenner or two in the pocket, especially if they don’t know the people getting married.
    Seen in these terms, the musicians actually have to put in much more time and effort and practice for a wedding, as their musical offering will be tailored to the event, and they have to be present over a longer period than ringers.
    But it’s not as much effort as preparing for a sunday service (although it may be less relaxing), and would your average worship band even dare to think of being paid for a Sunday Service? I’ve never yet come across the notion, but maybe I just move in humble circles ;-) The theoretical idea of “providing music” in the same way as one rings bells for a wedding, and recieving a bit o’ money for the effort sounds justified, but in my experience it’s just not like that. Normally, people getting married in our church (it’s not a very common event) are in some way “family”, and to play music is a form of present to the couple from the band. No reward would be expected – although the box of chocolates might be a nice bonus!

  • Peter

    I play worship in the US for two churches. One pays $25 per Sunday, the other doesn’t pay. In each case it takes about 20 hours a week for home practice, setup, practice, worship services and teardown. I don’t expect to be paid but it helps with gas, strings, pedals. For a wedding of someone I knew, a nice dinner would be enough. For a stranger, I would expect to be paid.

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