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Ask the Expert – Controlling volume overspill in an old church building

By Guest Blogger | July 28, 2012

Carolina Labbé from Switzerland emails:

“I belong to a relatively small church that has evolved from worshiping with just voices and piano to worshiping with a full band and PA system over the last couple of years. Naturally, this means that the sound level has increased dramatically and because we are located in a historical building in the old town, our neighbors are not too happy about this shift. I don’t know what materials they made churches out of in 1834 but they’re certainly not soundproof and we’re struggling to come up with solutions to this.

So the question is, how do you soundproof a building or bring down the general volume when there are drums involved in a situation like this?”

 

Tim Horton, Project Manger at SFL Group replies:

There are two main things to consider here:

  1. The volume inside the Church
  2. The volume outside of the Church

So much has been written about controlling the sound levels inside the building that I won’t go over old ground.

Being able to control how much sound gets outside of the building is very difficult, fraught with complexity and, of course can be exceedingly expensive!

Typically the sound outside of a building is very muffled and unclear. The walls of a building will stop all of the high frequency energy getting outside, but because the wavelength of the low frequencies are so big (100Hz is 3.4m, for example) the walls need to be substantially thick to do anything. It is this bass content that will be most frustrating to the neighbours.

If you want to get serious about reducing the spill to the outside world then you should talk to a local acoustic consultant. But if you know that you haven’t got considerable sums to spend on acoustic consultants and any subsequent remedies then I honestly wouldn’t start that ball rolling.

When we are doing our big events like the Soul Survivor summer festivals, a lot of time goes into the placement and design of the speaker system; especially the sub-woofers. For these larger events, we are able to array the subs in a particular pattern, and then tune them so we only fire the low-frequency sound towards the people. The neighbours behind the stage are then in a cancellation zone behind everything which stops them getting swamped with bass noise. For the geeks out there (like me) we use Cardioid Sub Arrays to achieve this – perhaps a blog post for another time…

This is great for a big event, but in a local Church these kind of speaker system designs cannot be implemented. Therefore I suggest the most appropriate solution is a practical one, not technical: speak to your neighbours. Get them on your side, and come to agreements with them about when and how loud things will happen. If you are able to get your hands on an SPL meter (Sound Pressure Level) it would be worth walking outside and taking some readings (don’t forget to adjust the meter to a “C weighting” so that you include the bass content in your measurements too). That way you will be able to inform your thinking and discussions with the neighbours.

Often local councils or events organisers will specify a volume limit for concerts or whatever; usually for the audience’s sake. But this can sometimes be implemented for those outside the venue too. Again, using Soul Survivor as an example; one of our team will get on his bicycle and pedal around the countryside to take SPL readings during the main sessions. This information is passed back to the main system engineer who can compensate accordingly if things get too much. When the local authorities ask us what’s happening then, we can show them the data collected and show that we are operating within the guidelines and what actions have been taken to ensure this remains so.

I realise this is not necessarily answering your question directly.

Concentrate on getting the sound inside the Church as good as you can, and employ measures to reduce stage noise as appropriate. If you can get the stage noise down, you will be able to reduce the main PA sound and hopefully reduce problems with spill into the locality. As I’ve already said, talking to the neighbours will definitely help, not least because by showing a personal interest will help to build bridges.

 

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  • http://twitter.com/matt_zipfel Matt Zipfel

    What has the picture on this blog got to do with the content? I was hoping for at least some reference to it – whether foam sound proofing is worth investing in or not?!?

  • http://www.musicademy.com/ Marie from Musicademy

    I just chose an image that would say “sound proofing”. It’s not meant to illustrate anything in the article. Will happily change the image if anyone has any better suggestions!

  • Mark

    It is a little misleading on account of the fact the picture isn’t ‘sound proofing’ foam at all but sound conditioning foam used in recording studios to condition the sound in a room (i.e. to control high frequency reflections). Somewhat impractical in a live setting such as a church, qne not really applicable to the content.

  • jk

    I was hoping to get information from this article on how to help change the acoustics/dynamics in a smaller/older church building. From the picture- it seems like it would be explaining- basically the article just told me to get a sound consultant and a sound level meter. Hooray! -_-

  • http://www.musicademy.com/ Marie from Musicademy

    OK. We’ve found an alternative photo. Not really sure that this shouts “sound proofing” to the layman quite as well as the previous one but here it is.
    This is a QRD diffuser. A very specific acoustic panel designed to reduce reflections inside a building

  • http://www.musicademy.com/ Marie from Musicademy

    This was a response to a specific question where the church in question looked unlikely to have the kind of budget needed for major sound proofing work.

    I’ve asked Tim to have a look at the broader question and we’ll post another article soon. Acoustic treatment in a building is always a unique challenge so difficult to be precise but we’ll have a go at providing some guidelines for you.

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  • http://twitter.com/matt_zipfel Matt Zipfel

    Thanks – it’s better. Looking forward to the next blog now :-)

  • Bryn Roberts

    Something that may help… you don’t mention what the nature of the neighbouring is – whether physically joined or just in the proximity of your building. The former will be difficult to address as Tim outlines, but there may be things you can do depending on your PA and instrument set-up and the construction of your building. For example, if you’re getting bass frequency transmission through the floor, you could physically decouple your drums, PA and Bass cabinets from the floor (there are special frames and foam tiles, etc. for this); similarly if it’s via an adjoining wall with cabinets mounted or close to it. If the problem is ambient sound leakage, you may find the majority is via old, poorly sealed, single-glazed windows and doors – the solution obviously in this case is to replace or add secondary glazing appropriate to your building and budget. If sound loss is primarily through the front doors, adding a glass panel wall inside would probably solve the issue (and reduce drafts too :-)). Hope these additional thoughts help. I’d recommend getting someone who really understand sound to come and take a look, because there are so many variables and unknowns in your situation. Cheers, Bryn.

  • john

    from a small church on the isle of wight going from a piano to full worship in about 3 years and in a building over 150 years old, i was looking forward to hearing something that could help us with our noise levels. with very little money and a small congrecation why does it seem everything revolves around big money spinning churches that attract high numbers and don’t seem to have to worry about how much noise they make. you often say on your site that the small local church is vital to the community. help us to keep it that way.

  • Tim – SFL

    Hi Everyone,

    Ok, lots of comments off the back of this…

    I’m in the process of writing a “part 2″ to this; hopefully this will be in the next couple of days. There’s so much that could be said, it’s hard to know what to leave out!

    It seems there are two main themes appearing:
    1. how do we reduce the volume of our Church
    2. what can be done to the fabric of the building to reduce noise / echo / flutter / reverb inside the Church

    I’ll do my best to answer these two directly. The challenge is that many people have written PhD theses on these topics so I need to work out how to boil it down a bit.

    Stay tuned…

    Tim

  • Tim – SFL

    Thanks Bryn, a helpful follow-on.
    I agree with everything you say!

  • http://www.musicademy.com/ Marie from Musicademy

    We’ve now published Part 2 in this series. Thanks to Tim Horton for putting so much work into these articles.
    http://www.musicademy.com/2012/08/soundproofing-church-identifying-noise-makers/

  • Tim Nevell

    Well, I love the current photo – it just says “wood” to me ;-)

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