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Is your guitar too loud?

By Andy@Musicademy | July 17, 2012

If your guitar is too loud for worship what can you do to turn it down and maintain great tone?

I recently had a conversation with a pastor about stage volume levels in his church and more specifically about the electric guitar player being too loud on stage (I wasn’t the guitarist in question btw!) . His issue was “the guitar itself has a volume pot, why can’t they just turn that down?”

The solution to this typical scenario is a bit more complex than simply adjusting the volume pot and in the real world requires a bit of understanding, work, investment and compromise by guitarist, band, sound technicians and pastor, so for anyone who’s ever asked that question here are some reasons why and practical solutions.

Why it doesn’t work to simply turn down the volume pots

Guitar volume pots are different to a lot of audio gear. The electric guitar was designed around 1940s technology and to be honest hasn’t generally moved much such since. Partly because we guitarists can be a bit of a die hard traditionalist bunch but mostly because many attempts to update classic guitars and amps have altered the overall tones available. Its those tones on classic records that not only make electric guitar music what it is, but what serious guitarists spend a fortune and lifetime trying to recreate with their own recipe of axes, amps and pedals.

Guitar volume pots are essentially quite inefficient. Pickups sound their clearest when there’s no volume or tone pot at all to get in the way as they add a level of resistance. So pickups are really designed to run at full tilt. The more you turn the volume (or gain as it really is) down, the more it actually dulls the sound and takes off the treble frequencies that allow the guitar to cut through the mix. Some guitarists who use a lot of overdrive actually use this inefficiency to control their overall drive levels but it generally means that whilst your distorted tone is good, your clean sound doesn’t really cut through and is a bit of an afterthought. This obviously isn’t great for worship environments where clean sounds are regularly used. Conversely trying to get a decent overdriven tone with your guitar volume at low levels is very hard because the basic gain level you have to work with just isn’t enough.

This is why weaker guitar pickups sound good clean but a bit thin when distorted and in much more powerful pickups the driven tone is rich and harmonic but the clean tone can be a bit harsh. So whilst the guitar volume pot does need to be up full I suspect the real problem is not with that at all. It’s probably the choice of amp and its positioning relative to the player, the band and the front of house mix.

The role the amp plays in high volume levels

Most players prefer tube amps. Tube amps are again based on 40’s technology and are different to transistor amps in that as the tubes get hot the sound dramatically improves. With transistor amps the tone stays linear regardless of volume but their overall tone can’t equal tubes to get those classic guitar sounds. This is why many studios leave the amps running for a few hours before a session to get the best possible tone.

But here lies the problem, most classic tube amps are designed to be run at volumes way above levels that most churches need. The most popular Fender amps ever are the 40 watt Hot Rod Deluxe and the 60 watt Hot Rod Deville. Many churches have these but in reality unless your church plays LOUD, they are way too powerful for this environment and just sound lacklustre when set to the required volume, generally around 1! So option one would be to get a far less powerful tube amp. Something under 15 watts should suffice. Lots of companies are bringing these out now. In fact I use a 1×12, 8 watt amp based on an old Fender champ circuit.

Also work on amp positioning. Keep it on the floor but if it can be slightly angled up towards his face then that will help. Try to angle it towards louder instruments that need to hear it like the drums and away from acoustic non amplified instruments like backing vocals. More importantly make sure the guitarist isn’t standing right next to their amp. Speakers are designed to throw out sound and they’ll get a much better idea of its true tone and volume if they’re at least 6 feet away. You may find that alone helps them hear themselves better and even turn down!

Lastly as long as stage levels don’t overpower the rest of the band don’t be afraid if the guitar amp volume contributes to the overall front of house sound. Some technicians love an absolutely silent stage so they can completely control the FOH levels. Live P.A mixing is always a bit of a compromise and its not necessarily bad practice if some of the instruments levels are coming from their own acoustic or amplified properties. As long as they can self mix and learn to blend with the overall dynamics its ok if they are not in the house mix; bass being a classic example. So maybe get them to stand off stage in a rehearsal (with a very long lead!) and try to work together on where, when and how much the guitar should feature in the mix. Self mixing is a skill we can all develop and a big step towards musical maturity.

 

Have you struggled with volume issues in your church? How have you handled it?

 

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  • http://www.worshipteamcoach.com/ Jon Nicol

    Great article, Andy! I’m going to be passing it on to my players.
    Quick question – What’s been your experience putting amps offstage in a side room? Pros and cons?

  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.samaniego Nick Samaniego

    I’m fortunate enough to have an amp that sounds good at lowish volumes, and has a nice linear master volume.
    Although it sounds even better loud, of course.
    I place it pointing across the stage, angled slightly backwards towards the drummer.
    I used to use a Boss GT-3 straight into the PA, so all I needed was a monitor, but I was corrupted by the tone of a good tube amp.
    There are more & more low wattage valve amps (lunchboxes) out there nowadays, so good tone at low volumes is more achievable than ever.

    Or you could always get a Pod X3 or Axe-FX. If you’re rich.

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  • Andy Chamberlain

    Hi Jon. good question. The pro’s for putting the amp off stage of course mainly centre around being able to turn it up to optimum volume where it starts to cook a bit. Thus a much better tone and a silent stage. This mainly tends to work in conjunction with in ear monitoring which can be problem, especially if the monitor mix isn’t very good or you need to tweak your amp settings. Also your amp through in-ears can sound a bit overly dry without any effects natural room reverb. Having done conferences with this kind of set up you really are at the mercy the quality of your sound techs and how much time you have to work on settings. To be honest if you are going for the silent stage environment I personality wouldn’t bother with an amp at all these days. Modelling has come on so far in the last few years that something like a Line 6 POD HD or a Sansamp Character pedal could do the trick and be much less hassle all round. OK most guitarists will argue that the real thing sounds better if you are stood in front of it (and i agree) but once you factor in PA/building acoustics/stage volumes and time restraints most churches have an ‘optimised’ modeled tone may well sit better in the mix anyway. Thanks. Andy

  • mark

    What? You’ll have to speak louder so I can hear you over my awesome tone!

  • http://www.worshipteamcoach.com/ Jon Nicol

    Wow, Andy – your last sentence contains a whole blog post in itself. Great insight! Thanks!

  • Daren

    Other options might be:
    1) to use an isolation cabinet: this is a ‘closed’ or heavily-baffled speaker cabinet, into which mics are positioned. So, the PA operator gets that ‘cooking’ sound, and the cab is quiet or even near-silent on stage. The advantage is you don’t need a side room!
    2) Use a ‘power brake’ or similar which connects between your amp and speaker and allows you to limit speaker volume while still having the amp running nice and hard.

  • Metal Marc

    Good article. Get an amp with a line out or get a modeling pedal. Can’t afford it? Put aside $10 a week until you can afford something like a Digitech RP60 (affordable, sounds good, programmable, and has a volume/expression pedal…a killer value).

    I’m a straight-up rock guy. It’s all about the guitar straight into the amp. However, worship isn’t about me: it’s about God. I had to bite the bullet and get a guitar modeling pedal (just around $100). It has made a positive impact in our worship audio mix.

  • Steve

    I have not seen any good modelling amps for $100.00 myself, maybe several hundred. Regardless, if you own a good tube amp and it has been on for a while (tubes are hot), you should be able to get decent tone, even at a volume of 3 or 4 out of 10. Play with the amp 4 to 5 feet away from you, with the centre of the speaker cone pointed right at your face, and you’ll hear the sweet spot with out having to crank the volume. Mic it right at the bottom of the speaker cone, pointed slightly up, and everyone else should hear your good tone, as well. Of course, that will depend on the sound guy, board and speaker system, etc…

  • http://www.facebook.com/AdriansRockGarage Adrian Williams

    My rig runs into a Mesa Boogie Transatlantic TA15 head switched to 5 watts. Even that only runs around half volume but it is very controllable and the tone is exceptional.

    The biggest trick is finding something within your budget that has the tone you want yet can reproduce it at lower levels. I used to use a Laney LV50 which is a 50w tube amp. I couldn’t run it anywhere near 1 on the volume pot and the tone suffered.

    This is one of the reasons companies like Egnator and Orange are gaining popularity with their lower wattage lines. One great inexpensive option people might like to consider is the Ibanez TSA15H Tubescreamer amp. It’s worked around a tubescreamer circuit built into the structure, but the tone is very sweet for something so small and so inexpensive.

    Of course – you and your sound tech also need to agree on mic’ing options. Mine prefers SM57 or Beta56a, whereas I don’t like what they do to the tone – I like the Sennheiser E906 because it’s truer to the tone. We have some interesting discussions :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/AdriansRockGarage Adrian Williams

    This definitely is a very good response to the whole issue. The modelling gear definitely does have it’s pros, I find that the “right” sound is a bit harder to find with it, though. I’ve used the Line 6 gear for quite a while and as soon as I switched back to full analogue with proper mic setup, the tone was much easier to arrive at with much less fuss. With modelling I had to work for it – with the analogue it “fell into my lap”. I just had to sit down for a further 20 minutes with my sound tech to refine it to something we were both satisfied with.

    I tend to use modelling as my backup (Line 6 HD500) and as my simple rig for quick practices. It still sounds good – and I use it to recreate my live sound as close as possible. I also use it if I need to travel because it’s easier than the whole rig.

    It still has that “something” that doesn’t quite cut it yet for me, though.

  • steve_rolfeca

    In many settings, even 15 tube watts may be too much. Thankfully, there are a bunch of inexpensive, low-wattage tube guitar combos out there at the moment. With a few simple tweaks, they really come alive. I’ve built up a number 5 watters like the Vox AC4TV and VHT Special 6 for friends, and they’re great for worship.

    With a low-efficiency 10″ speaker, they mic up really nicely. They can be cranked for great tone, while still requiring significant amplification through the PA. Best of all worlds for guitarist, FOH engineer and listeners alike.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davepetrey David Petrey

    I have a Fender Super Champ XD and its perfect for worship settings. Its a hybrid modeling amp. It has a single tube but I forget what the setup is. Its not a real tube amp but it sounds great to me. I think the newer models are X2 instead of XD.

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